Wed 13 Jul 2005
“50 smart guys….”
Posted by Liza under Web/Tech
Thanks, Sean, for linking to the Wired article in your comment about the Anti-Spyware Coalition.
Towards the end of the article, there’s a quotation from Ben Edelman that has gotten under my skin. What he said was, "You don’t need a committee of 50 smart guys in D.C. sipping ice tea in order to decide [people don’t want spyware]." (emphasis mine)
As one of the group of people who sat in a room in DC for 2 days, and on numerous heated conference calls, debating and revising these documents, that line just made me feel invisible. And indignant, not only for myself, but for the surprisingly large number of other smart women who actually were in that room and on those calls.
For as long as I’ve worked in the high-tech world, both as a lobbyist and inside tech companies, I’ve had a practice of actually counting the diversity in the room in Big Meetings. (No wonder I didn’t make it as an academic; I’ve never kept those notes.) Men nearly always outnumber women, sometimes 4:1 or more, and the room often has no African Americans, Latinos, or Native Americans. Usually there is at least one Asian, but the room is generally very white.
The Anti-Spyware Coalition meeting, by contrast, was roughly 30% women. And it wasn’t just women from corporate communications offices, as occasionally happens. There were women hardcore technologists, product people, and lobbyists too. And while the room was very white, there was at least one African American and there were at least two Asians.
But even though it is a frustrating fact that there are not very many women in these technology/tech policy circles, it is even more frustrating to have the myth that "there aren’t any" constantly promoted. That simply isn’t true, but repeating it and repeating it and repeating it, and behaving as if it were true, does make women feel unwelcome, and weirdly defensive.
I know that I used to be pretty humorless about inclusive language, and I swear, I’ve lightened up a lot since college. But there’s just this visceral reaction I have to feeling invisible — I hate it, and I can’t ignore it. I don’t think Ben was trying to be sexist. I think he had a picture in his mind of what that meeting probably looked like, and women just weren’t in it.
And I guess the bottom line is that’s what sucks.




July 13th, 2005 at 5:03 pm
It could have been an intention or unintentional slight, but on the other hand, these days I take “guys” to mean “people.” My female friends and I will refer to groups of ourselves, groups of men, or mixed groups as “guys.”
July 13th, 2005 at 10:47 pm
I have the same habit, but if I hear the phrase “the guys” I think of a group of men.
I think it’s just lazy language on his part.
July 13th, 2005 at 11:12 pm
Liza, have you ever heard of the Frag Dolls? http://www.fragdolls.com/
They are a women’s group of professional video gamers (yes, there are pro gamers).
In a boys world, these women get a lot of attention because A) they are all gorgeous, and B) they are insanely good on the playing field.
I point them out to you because I don’t know which idea is more foreign to the boys: Hot girls gaming? Or Hot girls kicking their ass?
July 14th, 2005 at 3:16 pm
I do the same thing in casual conversation, but I think things are different in a more formal setting. I know when I’m being interviewed, I think about what I’m saying a lot more carefully than I do when I’m hanging out with my friends.
The gamer thing is funny. I read that there’s a new MS in Game Design at one of the UC schools (I think). No women at all applied in the first year. None.